Wednesday, May 1, 2013

What is the REAL Deal With Rodan + Fields?

Who is Rodan + Fields?
Over the last year or so, I've been receiving numerous emails and messages through my Facebook Page from different people wanting to talk to me about a lucrative business opportunity with Rodan + Fields. At first, I just ignored these messages. I receive messages from people all the time, wanting to sell me their latest and greatest skincare product line, in hopes of having their products featured on my blog. I don't tune it all out though. I do keep my eyes and ears open for the really interesting and fun stuff, but nothing is a bigger turn-off than a hard, cold sell.

The emails I've received about the "incredible opportunity" with Rodan + Fields have felt pretty pushy. They always come from different people, asking if I'd be interested in partnering up with them to sell this amazing clinical skincare brand. I'm EXTREMELY picky about the products I add to my own home skincare routine. I think everyone should be. What works for one might not work for all. Half the battle of achieving good skin is about finding the right products and ingredients that work for your own skin. That's why when I find a product or product line that I love and helps me achieve gorgeous skin, I stick by it and talk about it on my blog. I'm really unlikely to buy a skincare product I've only read about online and have been pitched to multiple times by multiple people about.

Even though I've ignored all of the emails and messages I've received regarding the Rodan + Fields business opportunities, I decided to do a little investigating on my own. What was this company all about? What's the deal with their products? Why were so many people wanting me to work with them? Was I missing out on a great opportunity or even worse, was this a scam?

Turns out Rodan + Fields is a legitimate business. In 2002, two Bay Area practicing dermatologists, Katie Rodan, MD and Kathy Fields, MD, decided to partner up and start a clinical skincare brand. Between these two ladies, their credentials include being Stanford-trained professors, practicing dermatologists, board-certified and creators of Proactiv, an acne treatment system sold exclusively through infomercials. Creating a skincare product line seemed like the natural next step for these two women to do. Rodan + Fields was originally sold in department stores. In 2009, they took the skincare line out of stores and turned the business into a direct selling company. This meant that instead of the stores doing all of the selling, they'd have independent consultants do the selling for them.

All of the emails I've received over the last year have been from independent consultants wanting to either sell me products or become a partner with them so that I could sell products to people in my own Circle of Influence. Either way, the independent consultants would receive a commission off of anything I'd buy or anything I'd sell. Of course Rodan + Fields would take their cut from all of the business transactions from both parties, including the actual product sales. At first, I wondered why a company would pull their product out of stores if their line had been selling so successfully. Then I realized that the cost of selling the product line in department stores was probably a whole lot more expensive than having independent consultants who work on a commission base sell the product for them. What a smart business model! Rodan + Fields is really no different than companies like Avon, Herbalife, Mary Kay, Amway, The Pampered Chef, Tupperware, Nerium and Isagenix. The only thing that is different is the product they're selling.

Okay, okay, so what about the products? Rodan + Fields considers their product line to be a clinical skincare brand. There are seven different categories within the brand: Redefine (for fine lines, wrinkles and pores), Reverse (for brown spots and sun damage), Unblemish (their solution to acne), Soothe (for sensitive skin types), Enhancements (includes scrubs and peptides), Essentials (where all of their miscellaneous items live such as body lotion, body sunscreen, sunless tanning lotion, lip treatments and supplements) and AMD MD, which looks like a mechanical exfoliating tool. All of the products "combine pharmaceutical ingredients with active cosmetics in aesthetically elegant vehicles." Definition: super charged products loaded with active ingredients in pretty packaging. Plus, all of the "systems" are packaged in 60-day quantities because we all know that any skincare regime doesn't start to show any effects unless the products are used consistently for at least four to six weeks.

This company was really interesting to research online. Anytime I thought I'd come across an article talking about how Rodan + Fields was a scam or a pyramid scheme, the article would end up being a sales pitch for a multi-level marketing company. Most of these type of articles would defend Rodan + Fields for not being a scam and then offer to sell their "secret" on how to be a successful, independent consultant for the company.  It's extremely clever marketing on the MLM company's part. These MLM companies knew that people thinking about becoming an independent consultant for Rodan + Fields might do a Google search for "Rodan + Fields" or even "Rodan + Fields scam." What better way to advertise your marketing services to the very people who are looking to getting into marketing their own business as an independent consultant?

I did check out a few reviews online for a some of the products in the line. The general consensus I found online was that either people really loved these products or they really hated them. For the haters, they consistently stated that the products they used left their skin in a worse state than what their skin was before they started using them. I also stumbled upon a controversy about the actual ingredients being used in some of the products and a debate on whether or not these products had been tested on animals. According to PETA, they don't.

I have never used any of the Rodan + Fields products on my own skin. If you're thinking about trying these products, treat it as you would with any other skincare purchase. Do your research. Find out if these products would work well with your skin and treat the skin conditions you're concerned about. Don't be afraid to ask for samples. Always try a product before buying it.

My recommendation? If you're treating something as complex as hyperpigmentation, acne or Rosecea, ALWAYS seek the advice of a licensed esthetician and/or dermatologist FIRST before prescribing skincare products and treating these conditions on your own. Always take the advice of a licensed professional over any salesperson or independent consultant who's looking to make a commission off of anything you buy.

52 comments:

  1. The knowledge of two Stanford trained and iconic Dermatologist who are considered Experts in their field trumps that of a licensed esthetician any and every day.
    To suggest otherwise is ridiculous and only validates the lack of credibility of the opinion of this blogger.

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    1. Suzanne, if you read the post you would see that I speak more to the brand's business and marketing practices rather than the science behind the products. I'm not questioning the science or research that has gone into developing this product line, nor am I doubting the experience of the two practicing dermatologists. What I do question is the hard sell from the numerous independent consultants that I received over and over again over the last year. It's not the actual dermatologists whom are selling this product to the millions of consumers out there. Instead, this product is being sold by independent consultants who may or may be licensed professionals, whether that be an esthetician or dermatologist.

      Putting the actual brand aside, I also did state that consumers should ALWAYS seek the advice from a trained professional rather than simply taking the word of a salesperson or independent consultant who's just trying to make a sale to earn a commission. That trained professional can certainly be anyone from a licensed esthetician to a dermatologist. Not once in this post did I ever state that receiving advice from either one of these trained professionals was better than the other.

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    2. She doesn't only say consult an esthetician first ; she ALSO says dermatologist. Some people have skin concerns that they think can be treated with products not recommended by a professional. Often times, they are correct. Other times, they have a different issue than the one they think they have. I am a dermatology PA and I see this all the time. People think they have eczema (or another skin problem) because they have dry, flaky patches of skin, for example. When they come to see me, they actually have actinic keratosis or pre-cancerous lesions on their skin. I do agree that it is advisable to see a dermatologist before attempting to treat the skin, no matter how simple you think your case is.

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    3. Suzanne is obviously NOT an esthetician. Rodan + Field is not a professional product. Good luck with your skin Suzanne. Hopefully it doesn't look too crusty after years of Avon and harsh, word-of-mouth acne products probably filled with sal and other drying ingredients.

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    4. This article sucked.

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    5. My dermatologist is not only 'Stanford trained" but also got his degree from Stanford. He knows the founders of R&F. Says they are good people. But he also says their products are WAY over priced and directed me to better, cheaper products that can be found in Target or your general drug store. Don't waste your money.

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    6. What are the products that were recommended? I'm curious!

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  2. " Anytime I thought I'd come across an article talking about how Rodan + Fields was a scam or a pyramid scheme, the article would end up being a sales pitch for a multi-level marketing company"

    Don't you think this might be intentional on R+F part? After all, if you were starting a pyramid scheme, wouldn't it be a good idea to plant articles about how your MLM business is not a scam? Maybe these articles are not written by independent critical reviews, but instead by R+F "partners" or the R+F marketing team.

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    1. Did you read the sentences right after what you quoted? Kathleen implies exactly what you brought up:

      "It's extremely clever marketing on the MLM company's part. These MLM companies knew that people thinking about becoming an independent consultant for Rodan + Fields might do a Google search for "Rodan + Fields" or even "Rodan + Fields scam." What better way to advertise your marketing services to the very people who are looking to getting into marketing their own business as an independent consultant?"

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    2. You are brilliant! And I mean that in the same way I'd tell AIDS that it is a great weight loss plan.

      This is exactly what she said. Nothing gets by you does it?

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  3. I'm confused. What about it is a "scam"? A pyramid scam just sells the company. There is no real product. It is a scam because people are not really selling anything except the business. Rodan + Fields has a product that is affordable, and liked by many. Isn't any company that exists a multi-level company? Don't businesses have CEO's and then people who work under them, and then more under them and so on? R+F is no different. There is a great product that many people like, and tons of independent consultants are making lots of money from it! What's wrong with that?

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    1. The scam comes in the sale on the possibilities of profitability and success. It may ris above the standards or scam, but there's a reality. The non-disclosures of what level you are in a distribution line and how rapidly market saturation would occur, especially for the downline is problematic. History is just not on the side of this business strategy. Someone will do exceptional. Most will be lucky if it's only a time sink and not a money sink as well.

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    2. I understand the scam thing. It needs to be a company that sells products that people buy regardless of whether they make money with the company or not. That is the reason I shop with a direct sales catalog company which has multilevels of compensation but not multilevels of distribution. Also, my paycheck comes every month with a complete list of where I am in the compensation line. All I do is shop because I am a happy customer and refer others to the company and open their shopping account for them. It only costs $29 membership for the first year and a $12 per year renewal fee. They send you four different catalogs throughout the year as well as magazines and newspapers about how well the company is doing. It doesn't cost me any money to open other people's shopping accounts, and I can make more money than the person who opened up my shopping account. I get commissions off the products that the customers buy each month directly from the company. The company has a 95% reorder rate every month, has been in business since 1985, and are in the Better Business Bureau Hall of Fame. They manufacture over 350 different products which help people wash, shower, clean the house, and do laundry as well as manufacture second to none nutrients, hair care products, and skin care products all for prices less than the name brands on the shelf at my local supermarket. My email is Ronnie@shopandsave.net. I love letting people compare the products I buy to others on the market.

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    3. Hi Anonymous, read your response I shop their too ;) I love their products and wouldn't dream of shopping anywhere else. I was just approached by someone with Rodan and Fields, so I decided to check it out. I have heard about them many years ago, and truthfully I am surprised they are still around. In my little bit of research, I was shocked at them being doctor's and using such harsh chemicals in their products. They are not safe for anyone to use really. Unless you like loading your biggest organ with toxins, as if the air didn't have enough...its a shame.

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  4. I have received the hard sell from different R + F consultants as well...interestingly enough, it wasn't really for the skin care products but for joining the R+F team. Initial investment can range from $395 to $995 for a business kit. Definitely not chump change to most. I have tried samples of a few products, and although not bad, were not radically different than drugstore or department store brands (my opinion, but my skin isn't in bad shape).

    While some R+F consultants may be licensed estheticians or dermatologists, this may not always be the case. An R+F consultant that was doing the "hard sell" on me noticed I had a small patch of eczema on my leg (summertime) and mentioned that she knew someone who had a severe case of it and was able to clear it with an R+F product. The cream was about $80, so I passed. The full line of this regimen was $160. After a visit with my regular doctor (NOT a specialist in dermatology), I was given a prescription for a topical cream, which cost me a co-pay of $10. Cleared it right up in two days. It's difficult to reconcile the product price of their skin care regimen versus the cost of prescribed medicine from someone whom you trust, knows your medical history and has a vested interest in your well being (I had a follow up email from the R+F consultant, but nothing more). Just do your research before joining and do try out the products. Note that signing up as a consultant and investing in a kit will provide a commission to the sales person with whom you're "partnering"; hence, you may notice they'll sell the idea of "partnering with the doctors" a little more than they would the actual product.

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    1. I absolutely agree with you. I have received plenty of pitches from consultants wanting me to join the R+F team myself to sell the product through my blog. I've never been interested in wanting to turn my blog into a skincare product store so I've always either politely declined or have ignored these messages.

      Thank you for posting your experience about purchasing the topical cream prescribed by your doctor versus purchasing the $80 cream from a consultant. I agree that it's always a good idea to do your research before investing in pricey products or a skincare regime. Always take the advice of a licensed professional and/or "someone you trust who knows your medical history and has a vested interest in your well being" over any salesperson or independent consultant who's looking to make a commission off of anything you buy. That was my whole point of writing this post in the first place.

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  5. Hello,

    I have a friend who is a rod an and fields consultant. She is very product savvy, so of course when she told me it was good I believed her and tried it!! I am also a product junkie! I love beautiful fresh vibrant skin so I have and will try anything and everything to obtain it! Expensive/ cheap/ prescriptions I've tried them all!! I am a hairstylist/ make-up artist so I always have my hands in all sorts of beauty products!! Anyway I say all of that to say that I LOVE the ROdan and fields new skin care line!! I cld tell a difference very quickly! I started with the REverse which is suppose to even out skin tone , brighten, help with fine lines , pores etc.. And it does all of that!! I wish I wld have taken a before and after pic. I have good skin, occasional breakouts on my chin that are hormonal and ALWAYS leave a dark place after they clear up ugh!!! I like or shld I say love the products so much that I even considered selling it myself bc I have had so many complements lately that I figured what the heck I have nothing to lose bc even if I buy the kit I will def use the product so it's not like I'll be out any money!! Anyway I figured I wld google to see if it was true that u cld make a pretty decent chunk of change selling this stuff and that's how I came across this blog!! I never post my opinion on anything I usually just read comments and move on, but I figured I wld share my experience with the stuff bc I know I appreciate good feed back!! I'm still not 100% sure if I will put forth the effort to sell, but I will def continue to purchase and use the RAnd F products! Ooh yeah and I learned they did used to have them for sell in high end retail stores etc.. Not sure why they pulled them and decided to sell them this way prob a good way for them to make more money wld be the most obvious reasons. So if you are looking for some good reparative skin care products I wld give this stuff 2 thumbs up!! I hope this was helpful to anyone wondering about the products..

    P.s. I know the article wasn't necessarily about wether the products were legit but more so about selling the products I just figured I wld be interested in knowing this if I had never tried them!! Have a great day and God Bless

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  6. Kathleen,
    I'm not a R&F user, nor am I licensed at anything but to drive a car :) I am in the beauty industry with another DS company called Younique Products and like to be educated on all the products out there as so many people ask me how we compare. I was trying to find out how many consultants they had and came upon your blog. Younique sell naturally-based cosmetics, I like to tell people we keep it as natural as possible while still giving it a shelf-life. I'm not asking you to join my team or even blog about our products, I would just love your opinion. Can I mail you some samples to try? As for skin care, we have two products - our Awake Facial Cleanser & our Brilliant Moisturizing Gel, they are each $39, no auto-ship program, last at least 17 weeks if used once/day. Many are reporting their acne & hormonal breakouts are clearing up, under eye circles are reduced and pores are smaller (myself included). Our stats: been in business just one year on Nov 1; just over 3000 Presenters have joined in the U.S. & Canada combined but not all are actively working their business; launching into Australia & the UK in 2014; most our business is done online vs the traditional in-home party. Check out my website www.youniqueproducts.com/janene for all our products and can connect with me through my website or at jcoltom@gmail.com. Thanks for your time!

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    1. I just sent you an email with a question. Thanks.

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  7. I have tried the product for about six weeks and absolutely love it.

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  8. The problem isn't the product. It's the fact that the consultants are more interested in recruiting more sales people. I have a FB friend who is pushing this 'career' on friends and family, but as a consumer I went to her website and there is NO link to any of the products. I have no idea what she is selling! How do I buy something from her if she doesn't have a link to her product? But there is a lot of "success story" posts on her page about this wonderful sales career! This stinks of a pyramid scam.

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  10. Hi, Stumbled across your blog when searching for information about R+F. I have a Facebook "friend" that used to not talk to me at all (even when she was our neighbor)...and now that she's an R+F distributor and consultant...she's syrupy sweet and gushes compliments on my photos one after another. Her Facebook page has turned into an R+F storefront and her posts are more like hard-sell ads to everyone she knows. I just prefer to keep things real. If you like someone...be nice to them before you start a "network marketing" business. Don't just be nice to people when you want their business. It's tacky.

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    1. That's exactly how consultants recruit on FB! I'm so sorry you were a victim of this manipulation. My blog details how consultants use Facebook in such a fake way! istoppedsellingrodanandfields.wordpress.com

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    2. I just received a message from a friend on FB also, and almost the same thing as you have said. So I decided to do more research and came across this blog. I am totally not interested in their products at all, I have partnered with a health and wellness company that has these types of products that are backed by science and nature. Not toxic chemicals that are in these ladies products. But to each is own. Just had to check it out.

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  11. Thanks for this post. A neighbor is an R+D rep and I was suckered into a sales pitch when she invited a few friends over for the "launch of her new business." She, and the person who recruited her, excitedly promoted the products, then tried to recruit us. One pitch was essentially, "sign up as a rep because you'll get discounts on these products!" Uh, ok. I had yet to even use the products before I would agree to shell out hundreds of dollars to sell the stuff and get the sales rep discount. I took some samples home to do some research. I have a small amount of age spots which, while not super annoying, would be nice to fade. One product they have is Reverse, which claims to do this. It contains hydroquinone, at about 2% and is usually an OTC product. This gave me pause as just a simple web search shows that hydroquinone has been banned in some European countries, is a known carcinogen, and has also been known to cause skin ochronosis, a skin disorder resulting in thickening of the skin along with dome shaped greyish-blue spots. Just a little scary that my neighbor, a stay at a home Mom who was a waitress before (not discounting either profession, but just highlighting her lack of a background in skin care) could dole out something that is normally given as a prescription. While it would be nice to fade these few spots, I'd rather check with someone who is licensed and/or has the proper background to recommend this stuff or maybe an alternative. I even asked my neighbor how long I should use Reverse and were there any side effects. Must have caught them off guard because neither she nor her friend knew and told me to checkout the R&D website. Uh, you should probably know what you're selling before you even sell it...just like you should do some research before you buy (or even try).

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  12. FYI - as of this month, REVERSE no longer contains hydroquinone. As with any company, R+F will continue to change and better their products over time.

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    1. I don't think that is true....I just got suckered into buying products. As of the month of April 2014 it is still listed as an ingredient on the back of one of the bottles.

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  13. Has anyone compared the Rodan+Fields line of skin care to the Melaleuca line of skin care such as their Renew lotion (20oz for $15.99) and their Timeless Age Defying serum ($22 for 1oz)?

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  14. I am a licensed esthetician myself. I am much like you in the fact I always look into great detail into and am very picky of what I am putting on my skin and and recommending to my clients. I was approached with R + F last year and kind of ignored it at first, then did research & gave it a try. I started the Unblemish line myself and my sister did the same.. Was I impressed..YES.. So as much as it costs to do booth rental, working on Saturday, barely any flexibility. This side of business caught my eye. I am now making more then I did working 40 hours a week and I didnt have the extra costs. I think this is a great opportunity for all Estheticians because we do have more knowledge on being able to analyze someones skin and know what route is best for them or to refer them to a Dermatologist if need be. People dont have to come to me & pay the costs of the appointment itself and buy products from our product line we sold at the spa, that I am not going to name, but it was alright. So for all you concerned about who is recommending it and excuse that they dont have the professional expertise in skin care. Here I am, and I say: You all are truly missing out on these products and the business opportunity it can bring you. It really exceeded my wildest dreams. Because never in my mind would I picture myself in direct sells. But like my dad said be my own boss, and I love that I am now thanks to Rodan + Fields.

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  15. I believe the consultants in this company lack integrity and use manipulative tactics to get business partners. The consultants focus more on getting partners and having them buy $995 business kits rather than selling the products. Check out the blog I just started for more info on my personal story and my personal opinions about the company.

    http://istoppedsellingrodanandfields.wordpress.com/

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  16. I feel like a total idiot for actually beliving I could actually make money with this company. It is extremely hard to sell the products because of their high price point and even harder to build your down line. It took me about 6 months to make back the initial $995 investment, but I was still under water from different marketing things I tried that didn't work. At the end of the day, I didnt think the products were that great and stopped using them on ky own skin and it actually looked better. I have sensitive skin so I was using soothe. My skin stayed red the entire time I used it too. Ultimately I feel lik I was taken advantage of by my sponsor and the girl that is her sponsor. If you are someone that loves to be fake in Facebook and try and make money off your friends, then this is a great business for you. If you're like me and that isnt something you feel comfortable doing, then don't waste your time.

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    1. Im sorry you had such a bad experience. However, just because it didn't work for you doesn't mean the products and business won't work for someone else. The products actually helped my skin a lot and I love them and after deciding to join as a consultant I was able to make my initial $995 back plus more in my first month of business. I don't bother my friends at all about the biz unless they ask me. It's all how you promote yourself and the business....you don't have to be fake or pushy....obviously that didn't work out well for you.

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  17. I have a friend that worked for me in another business and sales R & F. I knew she sold it but never did she hound people at all.

    After making some changes in my career and wanting more freedom to travel I have decided to join R & F. I have had my own make up company and other businesses in the past. You can be a consultant and have integrity, you just need a clear business plan. There are good and bad sales people and business owners in every line of business. MLM does promote sales to friends and family but that runs out pretty quick. I plan on treating my business like a real business and market the products and business in various market channels. I also plan to create a balanced mix of distributors and product only customers. I believe money can be made with both customer bases and done with integrity. Will results come fast....maybe but like any business it takes time to earn your investment back and more time to be profitable. I think the key is to do research and enter ventures with realistic expectations. I do not think I will be making six figures in six months working a business part time. I do expect to boost my income.

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    1. THANK YOU! I COMPLETELY AGREE!

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  18. One of the ingredients in Rodan +Fields is Bleach which can take wrinkles away. If you stop using it the wrinkles come back. I know someone who is a representatives. Her personality changed too. Its like a Occult took over her life. She was told by some relatives not to talk about it or try to sell or the company to them. She send out emails to relatives asking them if they wanted to be a seller. They will be under her so its sort of like a Pyramid. And its around a 160.00 a bottle. So if you use it yes the bleach will take the wrinkles away but in 15-20 yrs what will happen to your skin from using these products. There are other products in stores that make your skin feel young and try eating healthy and staying out of the sun can help

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  19. I think this is a great post. I am a R+F consultant. Fairly new 5 weeks in. I signed up as a consultant to help cover the cost of the products because I do believe in them. Really that was the only reason. Not looking to make the big bucks. I can for sure see how some consultants can be seen as pushy and lack integrity but I do think that can be true in any job. I personally love the products. Mainly for decreased pore size and overall texture. I am a bit different where I am not looking to get rich but rather help people with their skin. I would much rather not burn bridges and just have customers who want to give it a go than cold call people. Everyone's goals are different in the business. Most of my customers have been friends who have just seen a difference in my skin and then I share the product. But I do encourage people if they want to try the products give them a go, don't be discouraged by the pushy salesman!! ;)

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  20. OK ladies, if there are products that are just as good out there that can be purchased at Target, etc. what are these products? I have been given samples of R & F Redefine line and are impressed but have not heard how much I will be indebted for. Help a non-working retired sister out here and let me know what products are just as good as R & F's stuff.

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    1. Make an appointment with a dermatologist and let him/her know what you are trying to accomplish. They will be the best one's to direct you to the right products.

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    2. I know 2 of the most respected, successful dermatologists that practice in san francisco & have over 50 yrs combined experience plus teach at Stanford. ..Dr. Katie Rodan & Dr. Kathy Fields. They carry R+F products in their practice. But there's a long wait list. Hmmmm.

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    3. To answer your question about price....my local derm $45 co pay, time off of wirk, $100 one bottle wonder that did not work! 6 months of this, no results and No refund! Rodan+ Fields, $145 for 2 month supply 3 bottle regimen plus sunscreen, 60 day empty bottle $ back, less than 1% return rate since inception.......Great results & happy client! No esthetician or Target product can compare...just saying results from thousands speak for themselves.

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    4. Sounds like your local dermatologist doesn't know what he/she is doing.

      The "less than 1% return rate" is because most product purchases are made by consultants who are required to buy product until they reach a certain level. Another factor is that, by design, its a pain in the ass to return anything to R&F. I've seen and read multiple horror stories.

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    5. I'm a consultant, approaching a year now, I have a base of very happy preferred customers and one partner who is focused on developing her happy customers as well. I started as a customer and became a consultant after I saw how small the company was, and only in the US. None of the brands that have been mentioned on this blog have as many media impressions as Rodan + Fields has in every major beauty magazines. Night serum is one of Oprah's favorite things. AMP MD was voted on the Today show (by Allure magazine) as the #1 tool for Anti Aging. MacroExfoliator won the Ethos award (in DSA) for innovative product. It was a proven top selling line at major department stores, like Nordstroms. When you break down the cost of the set it comes out to $16-$22 a product a month! This is comparable products you can get at Target or Walmart ~ Burts Bees, Aveeno $14-$18 and Oil of Olay products are up to $29 for one bottle! Big difference is that Walmart, Target or the little beauty supply stores wont give me my money back after 60 days if I dont like my results! AND I haven't bought my expensive foundation or concealers or powders! LOVE R+F. and I have had customers return if they ordered the wrong thing or didn't need the product anymore, and they had no problems. Can you please tell me a horror story about a return? I want to make sure my customers dont do whatever those people did.

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    6. one more thing, as I mentioned Rodan + Fields in the media, when you learn about all the media impressions and mentions in all the beauty magazines like O, InStyle, Allure, More, none of those are paid for by the company. All mentions by beauty editors, the company didn't pay a penny for all that press!!

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    7. Oh boy! Where do I start? You clearly don't understand the role of public relations and how the best and most expensive PR firms can get you in any magazine or on any show. Sure, R&F doesn't pay the magazines but they do pay a PR firm a pretty penny to get them the coverage they want.

      Let's use some common sense about the "top selling line at major department stores" line. Do you really believe a company would pull a successful product from the shelves to go the direct selling route? If you dig a little instead of regurgitating the lines that your up-line is feeding you, you will find that not only does this not make sense, but its not true. R&F was not successful in department stores.

      I don't know what type of calculator you used, but the R&F products I was suckered into buying were significantly more expensive then the Yes to Carrots and Burt's Bees products I bought. And the less expensive products didn't contain the harsh, and often toxic, chemicals R&F and other main stream brands use.

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  21. Here's my suggestion to anyone looking into this as a money making side business.....ask your 'recruiter' and her up line to show you their monthly checks. If this is such a great, profitable business, they should proudly show off their monthly check received directly from R&F as well as a statement showing how they earned that money, i.e. "x" number of people in downline, amount $ of products sold....whatever. If they're making such good money each month, they should be willing to prove it to you when asked. And not just one month, multiple months, so you can see how their investment 'grows' over time. If your recruiter says, 'oh, I just started', tell her to ask those above her who've been working it for a while.

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  24. I have tried R&F and find their products to be very drying and smell funny. The included bleach that is used to take wrinkles away has also caused a very bad bleaching of the skin in the areas used most. I honestly do not recommend the products to anyone. I now use Mary Kay for my daily cleaning regime and love the products. I have not had one problem with them and their price is very reasonable.

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